Thread: Griffith: A hero?

So it's been awhile since I read the manga, but last I checked wasn't Griffith the supposedly the main antaognist? The recent chapters seem to portray him a way that makes him seem like a hero... such as leading an army of humans and apostles, and "uniting" them against a common cause.

I'm thinking this is Miura's way of twisting the plot to make us think that Griff is now some kind of a hero or whatever, but I know he still has his past actions that aren't accounted for. Which makes me wonder what kind of direction he will take it. I can't help but think also how Guts will be able to exact revenge on Griffith, especially after this fight is over, Griff will be seen as a hero (in the eyes of the midlanders)... but then what? He becomes King and "lives happily ever after" until Guts shows up to fight him?

Also why did he need to be "reborn" again in order to raise an army? Why couldn't he just do that in his godhand form, since that form was already incredibly powerful? If concerned about appearances, he could always disguise himself...

Bah, I'm getting mixed feeling about Griffith now that he's all jesus-like and glowing and looking like a holy savior...

But I guess we'll have to see

no one knows what miura thinks. The way things are , grifith will become king fo syrely. What`s going ot happen after this it`s a mistery but i think that you forget some things.
We don`t know yet the role that the other 4 members of the hand of god are going to play. Since they only want distruction and grifith want a kingdom to rule , maybe trhey are going to confront each other.

I could be wrong, it's been a while since I read the early chapters, but I think Griffith had to be reborn to have the blessing of the Godhand. He could've tried to achieve world domination without it, but would've been doomed to fail.

As for the hero angle - he has undergone many of the characteristics of the heroic journey - the departure away from home, the trial, temptation, confrontation with the father, receiving of the boon and the return with said boon. He is sadly lacking in the personal traits of the hero though.

His goal was always to rule. There doesn't need to be anything else after for him.

Its most likely that Miura is not trying to make Griffith a hero again. I think he is showing us how his army follows him blindly and that they see him as a hero. This sets us up for later when Guts arrives to kill Griffith the army will stand up to him and brand Guts a criminal, hunt him down, ect.

It gives the reader a greater understanding of Griffith's con on all of humanity while they hunt down their only savior thus hanging themselves and sealing their fate.

Normally this might not be a problem for Guts as he is accustomed to fighting massive amounts of enemies and over time he could cut a path to take out Griffith (over time and not all at once), but ever since Miura introduced the new sidekick characters Guts has a responsibility to keep them safe. This means he has to lurk in the shadows and probably take out Griffith's demon generals before he can take out the big cheese.

By then maybe the people Griffith has fooled will either realize his cruelty or forever fame him as a martyr of peace or something. The latter makes more sense because it would finish the story where it began, with Gut's overwhelming misery.

Originally Posted by sceletron

no one knows what miura thinks. The way things are , grifith will become king fo syrely. What`s going ot happen after this it`s a mistery but i think that you forget some things.
We don`t know yet the role that the other 4 members of the hand of god are going to play. Since they only want distruction and grifith want a kingdom to rule , maybe trhey are going to confront each other.

Didn't see that before. Interesting idea though, and it holds a bit of water to boot. I can't see how it would fit into the story yet though. It might be that Griffith just wants to sacrifice them all and rule over the entire world as king. What would be a more easy task than ruling without an opposition?

Griffith had to be reborn because the godhand are native to the higher parts of the astral plane, they can't normally interact with the physical world.

Griffith has always been looked up as a hero by the Midlanders but I wouldn't consider him as a hero. I took this one from wiky so don't bash me if you don't agree with this description:

Originally Posted by Wiky

Later, hero (male) and heroine (female) came to refer to characters (fictional or historical) that, in the face of danger and adversity or from a position of weakness, display courage and the will for self sacrifice – that is, heroism – for some greater good, originally of martial courage or excellence but extended to more general moral excellence.

Griffith is willing to sacrifice others and not himself. His goal has always been to have his castle.

As per Guts. He might even choose not to go back and kill Griffith. He did had a choice: protect the ones he love or follow his path of revenge. I'm guessing the little kid that they found might be the one to carry his duty of revenge on Griffith. well this is all guesses though

Griffith works as a hero, he bridges the divide between apostles and humans, joining them in a form of fellowship for the greater good and rebuilding a lost kingdom. He also saves many peasants and such from hardship and death under the Kushan.

Griffith is definitely not a hero, since he chose to betray everyone to get where he is.

I can kinda see where this is going though, Griffith will have his nation, then he'll continue his plans to take out all the magical beings who he sees as a threat like that witch (Schierke's teacher) which probably means eventual war with Elfhelm (which Guts is headed to...)

Originally Posted by Luc1fer

Griffith: An hero?

Fixed it for ya.

Originally Posted by _Vincent_

Griffith has always been looked up as a hero by the Midlanders but I wouldn't consider him as a hero. I took this one from wiky so don't bash me if you don't agree with this description:

Griffith is willing to sacrifice others and not himself. His goal has always been to have his castle.

As per Guts. He might even choose not to go back and kill Griffith. He did had a choice: protect the ones he love or follow his path of revenge. I'm guessing the little kid that they found might be the one to carry his duty of revenge on Griffith. well this is all guesses though

Hope your guessing will not be right, due to if you are right I will go to japan and kill Miura(or at least spit on is tomb... he can be death before finishing berserk xD ), I don't think is another ending possible outcome than Guts cracking open the skull of Griffith backwards or both death, this is a story about revenge, other characters can help in the process but the final match has to be be those two.