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    dreeya is offline Junior Member Newbie
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    I hate tazmo too. I think he lies and cheats many fans of money and he blatantly disregards the copyright laws. He makes so much money off of merchandise that is rightfully Kishimoto's and the company that sponsors and distributes his products.

    However, I believe(as probably mentioned before) that in order to raise awareness and bring this person down, we have to take the "higher road, meaning that we can't have cursing all over every single thread. Cursing Tazmo off for cheating consumers doesn't very much allow for people who DON'T know who he is to start hating him.

    We must, rather write intelligibly. That doesn't mean you have to have perfect grammar or that you have to capitalize every word or use complex words. It simply means that we need to cut down the cursing that is loaded with emotional attachment. People who sound too emotional lose more credibility.

    Just a suggestion.

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    MendoOza is offline Junior Member Newbie
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    finally someone with a clear idea of what to do!!
    i totally agree with you!

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    Aside from the wife beater comments, the Stop Tazmo admins have been doing a good job of acting rationally.


    The stupid people screaming and swearing can't be helped, since they've ultimately made the decision to be stupid on their own.

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    dreeya is offline Junior Member Newbie
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    Right. I completely agree with you. I guess I was just trying to inform all the other members because if more of us could write intelligibly, our voice would become louder. That's just my opinion. I think there was a thread about this a little earlier about only having semi-intelligent posts. Sorry about that. But I guess I just had to say that although i like to read cursing and stuff like that when it comes to Tazmo, some of the starters of the threds sound really serious about their claims and about people reading and responding to them. Just a suggestion that if you really value what you say and what people think when they read what you write, you should write more intelligibly.

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    well,when people read threads and want to bash tazmo,the first thing they do is start an immature argument and think by making up rumors and lies about tazmo they can achive the true objectives that we r looking for.

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    Default Re: need more credibility

    Quote Originally Posted by dreeya
    I hate tazmo too. I think he lies and cheats many fans of money and he blatantly disregards the copyright laws. He makes so much money off of merchandise that is rightfully Kishimoto's and the company that sponsors and distributes his products.

    However, I believe(as probably mentioned before) that in order to raise awareness and bring this person down, we have to take the "higher road, meaning that we can't have cursing all over every single thread. Cursing Tazmo off for cheating consumers doesn't very much allow for people who DON'T know who he is to start hating him.

    We must, rather write intelligibly. That doesn't mean you have to have perfect grammar or that you have to capitalize every word or use complex words. It simply means that we need to cut down the cursing that is loaded with emotional attachment. People who sound too emotional lose more credibility.

    Just a suggestion.
    Note that...
    (1) Tazmo makes zero money off the Naruto manga.
    (2) NarutoMania offers/offered a paid service for faster Naruto anime downloads.
    (3) Unless he is bringing in hundreds of dollars a month from PLUS (which he is not), he is not actually making money from it. If you apply PLUS proceeds before ad money, he's only making money off the ads, not the downloads.
    (4) Everyone blatantly disregards the copyright laws. The scanslators, subbers, and distributors (all of which are numerous) are ALL violating copyright law. The thing is, they're not just hurting these companies. They bring in merchandise and DVD sales in Japan and create a fanbase when it is dubbed into English, increasing ratings, making commercial time more valuable, and buying merchandise, DVDs, and graphic novels. Anime and manga artists and companies earn large amounts of money as an indirect effect of subbing and scanslating, and that is why they don't sue for copyright infringement.
    (5) Both sides tend to be irrational. This is a side effect of being a website in a market that appeals to 12-15 year old boys. You can't prevent that.
    (6) It's hard to take the high road when your leader has hacked Tazmo's forums and is using a smear campaign (he didn't create those stickies as jokes).
    Note that though I can't fully prove any of this, thanks to the death of NarutoTalk (it has since returned), Kane has quite a history of DDOS attacking Photobucket accounts. My Photobucket mysteriously hit over ten times its allotted bandwidth several hours after a confrontation with Kane at NarutoTalk, and I received about a half-dozen other complaints of this from other members (I was a mod). Unfortunately, since NarutoTalk died, those PMs are all gone.
    This establishes a history of Kane (1) having the ability to attack sites, and (2) using that ability whenever angered.
    I'm not here much, but if you have anything to say to me about Tazmo, you're either (a) fanatical, or (b) wrong. If not, we can be friends. Except you, Martyr. We can never be friends.

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    Note that...
    (1) Tazmo makes zero money off the Naruto manga.
    (2) NarutoMania offers/offered a paid service for faster Naruto anime downloads.
    (3) Unless he is bringing in hundreds of dollars a month from PLUS (which he is not), he is not actually making money from it. If you apply PLUS proceeds before ad money, he's only making money off the ads, not the downloads.
    If Tazmo makes money off of ads and people visit the site because of the manga then Tazmo is making money off of the manga.
    I can't speak for how much he is making off of PLUS without knowing how many plus members there are.. but I can make some guesses and do the math.
    Given that PLUS costs 3.50 a month and there are over 600,000 normal members then at:

    Per month:
    .01% @60 members = $250
    .1% @600 members = $2500
    1% @6000 members = $25,000

    Conservatively speaking membership would likely be between .01% and .1% which is still likely going to gender a profit despite the offset cost of bandwidth. (But again without actually knowing real number of PLUS members or the site costs this is just a WAG.)

    4) Everyone blatantly disregards the copyright laws. The scanslators, subbers, and distributors (all of which are numerous) are ALL violating copyright law. The thing is, they're not just hurting these companies. They bring in merchandise and DVD sales in Japan and create a fanbase when it is dubbed into English, increasing ratings, making commercial time more valuable, and buying merchandise, DVDs, and graphic novels. Anime and manga artists and companies earn large amounts of money as an indirect effect of subbing and scanslating, and that is why they don't sue for copyright infringement.
    There is a lot of disagreement on this. Which is why a number of companies *do* request such actions to stop... They suggest that such subtitling actions actually hurts a product more than it helps as those who normally might purchase it won't bother when they can get it, or other material like it, as a free download.
    Unfortunately I'm rather included to agree with that sentiment. A good litmus test is to take stock of all the fansubbed anime and manga you've downloaded and then compare that to how many of those items you've actually purchased when they come out.
    It might not hurt the very popular ones (and maybe it helps some of them) but there's a good chance that it negatively impacts the more esoteric variety.

    (5) Both sides tend to be irrational. This is a side effect of being a website in a market that appeals to 12-15 year old boys. You can't prevent that.
    Hehe...beans.

    (6)...
    No comment.

    I'm just a random by passer. =]

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    Default Re: need more credibility

    Quote Originally Posted by kalin
    If Tazmo makes money off of ads and people visit the site because of the manga then Tazmo is making money off of the manga.
    I can't speak for how much he is making off of PLUS without knowing how many plus members there are.. but I can make some guesses and do the math.
    He is not charging for the manga; therefore, for all legal purposes he is making no money for it. If you're going to accuse him of copyright infringement via making money from copyrighted material (the manga), we must take it in a legal sense, where that argument holds no water.

    Given that PLUS costs 3.50 a month and there are over 600,000 normal members then at:

    Per month:
    .01% @60 members = $250
    .1% @600 members = $2500
    1% @6000 members = $25,000

    Conservatively speaking membership would likely be between .01% and .1% which is still likely going to gender a profit despite the offset cost of bandwidth. (But again without actually knowing real number of PLUS members or the site costs this is just a WAG.)
    Well you must also consider the large number of inactive accounts, which should be very high (the forums are approximately 40-70% deserted accounts), leaving far lower numbers.

    There is a lot of disagreement on this. Which is why a number of companies *do* request such actions to stop... They suggest that such subtitling actions actually hurts a product more than it helps as those who normally might purchase it won't bother when they can get it, or other material like it, as a free download.
    Unfortunately I'm rather included to agree with that sentiment. A good litmus test is to take stock of all the fansubbed anime and manga you've downloaded and then compare that to how many of those items you've actually purchased when they come out.
    It might not hurt the very popular ones (and maybe it helps some of them) but there's a good chance that it negatively impacts the more esoteric variety.
    Viz has not asked companies to cease scanslating activities... therefore, they either approve of scanslation or are neutral on it, and since they are the ones with the copyright, their opinion is what matters here.
    Nonetheless, this cannot be used as a claim against Tazmo unless it is also used against all other manga distributors, including our good friend Kane, who distributes far more than Tazmo.
    I'm not here much, but if you have anything to say to me about Tazmo, you're either (a) fanatical, or (b) wrong. If not, we can be friends. Except you, Martyr. We can never be friends.

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    Ahh, but Kane doesn't ask for contributions and (used to) pay for a lot of this out of his pocket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by martyr3810
    Ahh, but Kane doesn't ask for contributions and (used to) pay for a lot of this out of his pocket.
    For now.

    *dun dun dun*

 

 
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