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    I find it funny that, despite anything he might be doing, the best thing anyone has done so far is act like oppressed children and start petty little shitfits because some guy is making money off people stupid enough to pay for free shit.

    Been reading around here for most of yesterday and today inbetween chapters of Battle Royale, and I have to say this entire site is laughable. From what I understand, some of the 'information' about him is falsified in the first place just for kicks, and is presented as serious and true fact. With this in mind, it makes me think how much more content has been fabricated conveniently through the genius anonymity of the internet. In fact, how can you prove you're not making it up in the first place? Usually when someone starts a campaign against something, they tend to have rock solid evidence of truth, but when this is already marred by 'joke' information and equally questionable 'sources'.

    Let's not even get started on how laughable this entire concept is. Hating someone? On the internet? Really. Okay, I can believe that. Making a website to talk about it? Damn stupid and very immature. Get a grip, jesus.

    As for this 'money making business' and 'stealing from scanlators', I'm sorry, I didn't realize that volunteers had a say in who does what with their product, especially when the product itself is stolen material. This is almost like going off saying you hate people that sell bootleg DVD's because you can download it free on the internet. Both have the same end result, only one costs money and the other doesn't, but they're both still illegal. In this case, the money being paid is in donations, regardless of whether or not they're going to the site, it's still money in support of the site and it's purposes. Even if he doesn't need the donations to afford site maintenance, donations can still be made out of appreciation for service. Ever tip a waitress? Exactly.

    So he makes some money off his site, big whoop. Can you tell me that if you had a big, popular site with a lot of traffic and fans, that you wouldn't want to profit from it? I know some people say No because 'it's not the thing fans do.' Well, fans have living expenses for all their internet, computer, pizza and porn expenses, and I know I sure as hell hate spending hard earned money on meaningless, trivial shit, so why not make some free, easy money to blow around? Hell, even if you make a cent a click, with enough traffic you'd be able to have some sweet pocket change for supporting a habit. How great would it be to get paid for simply running a fansite? Getting paid for a hobby, and for serving other people, in your spare time? Does that really sound that bad? Not to me.

    Sure, he makes a big fucking chunk of change, but he is human, and I don't care what he spends his money on. The site can pay for itself? Swell. Get an extra $30k out of it for nothing? Well, damn. I remember hearing that Jick, the administrator of Kingdom of Loathing, maintains the site, as well as supports himself nearly entirely from donations to the site. Must be pretty big numbers there, eh? Sure, it's obvious he puts work into his site, but in the end, both Jick and Tazmo make a good haul from their respective sites, despite how obviously different they are in purpose.

    Anyway, I forget if there was anything else I wanted to comment on, so I'll cut this off here. Feel free to respond however you want, just don't give me any hogwash on morality. We're all stealing here, so we're already stained, and a piracy board isn't the place for a discussion on right and wrong in the first place. I'd also like to make note that I'm not affiliated with Tazmo either, so don't get any wrong impressions, I just fail to see what's so wrong about someone making a life for themselves out of a hobby that's illegal in the first place.

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    Right... Good point Retsurinzen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Retsurinzen
    In fact, how can you prove you're not making it up in the first place? Usually when someone starts a campaign against something, they tend to have rock solid evidence of truth, but when this is already marred by 'joke' information and equally questionable 'sources'.
    For someone who has reading here for over a day now, you sure seem to have missed a lot, or you only hear what you want to hear.
    Quote Originally Posted by Retsurinzen
    Let's not even get started on how laughable this entire concept is. Hating someone? On the internet? Really. Okay, I can believe that. Making a website to talk about it? Damn stupid and very immature. Get a grip, jesus.
    You must be very young, because only children would think that scamming people is funny. If you ask me, your stupid and immature but who am I to judge?

    Quote Originally Posted by Retsurinzen
    As for this 'money making business' and 'stealing from scanlators', I'm sorry, I didn't realize that volunteers had a say in who does what with their product, especially when the product itself is stolen material. This is almost like going off saying you hate people that sell bootleg DVD's because you can download it free on the internet. Both have the same end result, only one costs money and the other doesn't, but they're both still illegal. In this case, the money being paid is in donations, regardless of whether or not they're going to the site, it's still money in support of the site and it's purposes. Even if he doesn't need the donations to afford site maintenance, donations can still be made out of appreciation for service. Ever tip a waitress? Exactly.
    Flawed as your example is, I will ignore it's irrelevancies and continue on anyways, but I must point out that for someone who has been reading for so long on this site, you seemed to have learned nothing, you must be a slow reader.

    Tazmo made users feel pressured into donating under false pretenses, figuring that tazmo claims to need money for site site and server when he is only fabricating the actual amount he really needed. There is nothing wrong with asking for donations if the amount you are asking for is what you need for your site and maybe even a little extra for your time. This was/is not the case here, I assume for someone who has been reading for over a day now on this site you must have picked up on this now though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Retsurinzen
    So he makes some money off his site, big whoop. Can you tell me that if you had a big, popular site with a lot of traffic and fans, that you wouldn't want to profit from it? I know some people say No because 'it's not the thing fans do.' Well, fans have living expenses for all their internet, computer, pizza and porn expenses, and I know I sure as hell hate spending hard earned money on meaningless, trivial shit, so why not make some free, easy money to blow around? Hell, even if you make a cent a click, with enough traffic you'd be able to have some sweet pocket change for supporting a habit. How great would it be to get paid for simply running a fansite? Getting paid for a hobby, and for serving other people, in your spare time? Does that really sound that bad? Not to me.
    There is nothing wrong with making money off of your site, you really should read everything you read again, you seem to have not understood a thing. I suggest you search and you will find out rather quickly what our reasons for hating Tazmo really are. I will give you a hint that the non-payment towards his web designers, the DDOS attacks he did against other sites (NarutoTalk) and many other things all contributed, and you can find the rest searching. Since you do not seem very good at reading, I will point you directly towards the SEARCH LINK

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    Big whoop? CHICKEN GREASE?!

    i just learned some new sayings that i will never use.



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    I love how personally you took this, it really gets my rocks off when a sarcastic observation backed with snide commentary is taken so offensively.

    I admit, I haven't read much, just the stickies in this one section, and a few threads, not enough to get any sort of real idea how deep-seeded this ridiculously trivial hatred of some falsified Internet Super Villain around this community. I'm taking this all as one big joke, because it all seems really foolish to hate someone for what they choose to do with their life because it interferes with a hobby. It's like carrying a grudge against someone that bumped over your chess table in the middle of a game against a friend.

    However, I must comment on how amused I am at your mild insults. Yes, mock my age, or my intelligence. I hear it all the time. A little background here, which you're not going to believe anyway: I'm twenty years old, and I just so happen to be a genius in the areas of reading, writing and comprehension. I also have ADD, I bore easily, and I've never been good at picking up important details. Oh, and my moral compass tends to spin wildly from time to time. Not that it matters, I'm not here to discuss the politics of anime web sites with someone that's so quick to jump to arms. I love being insulted, because everyone does it the same way anymore, it's either 'you're stupid' or 'You must be, like, 12'. It's not the way I'd expect an admin to act, then again, this is a website mostly dedicated to hating someone, so I guess I should just cut my losses, eh?

    So I didn't cover every single detail, like I said, I forgot what else I had to say, and I remember now it was about all the other little facts and such on what he did, though I won't bother now, don't want to try pushing my luck. I just really, really, really (really, by the way) think that hating someone is ridiculous, especially on the internet. Sure, you can dislike someone for something, but I never personally hold it against them. I might not trust them if they pull shit all the time, and I've seen one to many cases where people get what they deserve. The greatest and most sadistic way to get at someone is to do nothing, and just watch them flail helplessly in a self destructive fit. In fact, just recently a guy that skipped off of a construction job on my mothers house with $1200 turned up knifed seven or so times on the other end of the city. I was pissed he robbed my family, but I'm sure the real wound came when I sent him a personally written and signed 'Get Well Soon' card as he lay in critical condition at the hospital.

    I say if you really hate this Tazmp, you take a less active approach. He's not going to destroy himself if he's busy defending himself all the time. People like that are best left to simmer to themselves, and eventually they'll burn up. I mean really though, what's the worst anyone could really do to him? Hack him? Flood his site? Sign him up for animal porn? I couldn't imagine anyone pressing charges. I don't think it would look to good for someone to be pressing charges against someone for x reason when they're also currently involved in similar illegal activities. So, unless you can figure out a way to press charges without any nasty little piracy business cropping up against you, go for it. Because if you really wanted to 'Stop Tazmo', you would try doing something about it rather than take an approach similar to standing at the side of a road, waving your arms and preaching. Besides, if the proof of his crimes is so apparent and easy to find, it shouldn't be too hard of a case, now would it?

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    Your arguments are laughable but I do have a few comments.

    A: We do have proof, at least in the case of of the whole "he has less servers than he says so hes scaming with donations, I might also add that we have the word(s) of past and present mods over at narutofan to back this up.

    B: ...
    Quote Originally Posted by Retsurinzen
    He's not going to destroy himself if he's busy defending himself all the time. People like that are best left to simmer to themselves, and eventually they'll burn up.
    Yeeeeees, because you know, a scam thats going well is REALLY going to encourage his greed to make it stop... riiiiiight...

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    Retsurinzen don't interpret my previous post as an insult, I care to think of it only as... ahh what's the word... a sarcastic observation.

    I am glad that you decided to admit that you did not read as many posts and threads here as you meant to imply in your previous post, and I don't understand your rambling about nothing for paragraphs.

    It's funny how when someone comes here who clearly comes across as illiterate and uneducated on the subject at hand and gets called on it, claims everyone says the same thing 'you're stupid' or 'You must be, like, 12', in some cases my example may not be true, but in this case it however is indeed.

    I really don't get how you want us to take a less active approach against Tazmo, if he did not want this site created, if he behaved this site would not exist, and with everyone educated person there is a less chance for situations similar towards these to repeat.

    The fact is and will always be in your case, you did not read enough to really know what is going on here and I bet you have no real understanding of why myself and some other members here on this forum despise Tazmo, and what is going on behind the scenes, search and become educated.

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    I would like to point out I did say I read around the site between chapters of Battle Royale. I wouldn't suspect that would leave much time for actual in depth reading, especially at the speed I was downloading chapters (to my inevitable disappointment). I would also like to mention I never said it was a complete debate on what he's doing and the after effects, I was just giving my views on what I thought of the entire concept of the site, mixed with sarcasm and opinion. Had I have actually intended to write something with any real depth I would have researched. I'm sorry I didn't study enough to form a valid opinion by your standards, but I don't really feel motivated to write an essay on it right now on three hours sleep and seven cans of coke.

    Also, I can't help how I interpreted such lines as;

    You must be very young, because only children would think that scamming people is funny.
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    Since you do not seem very good at reading, I will point you directly towards the SEARCH LINK
    Even in context, their intent is really quite clear, and you can't honestly deny the similarities between my paraphrasing and these lines.

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    B: ...

    Yeeeeees, because you know, a scam thats going well is REALLY going to encourage his greed to make it stop... riiiiiight...
    It occurs to me that you missed the point. It's not the action of scamming that will destroy him, it's the reprecussions. I will avoid long winded speeches by simply making a generalized reference to 'Karma' and how 'He has it coming'. I also find it pretty disappointing that someone with a thread titled 'semi-intelligent replies only' seems to fail that goal personally. If you would really like to point out why my arguments are laughable in a debate I'm not having, I'd love to hear it another time, as I can clearly see I've gained no ground and am clearly losing, and since not only am I not fond of having to research information to talk to people, but I also sense I am outnumbered and will eventually draw a large number of people spouting paraphrases of each other.

    I begrudgingly withdraw from this thread now, to continue my swashbuckling adventures across the High Wires, keel-hauling bandwidth with downloads and looting swag from various Ports. FTP that is.

    EDIT: Random information: I prefer to be called V or Rin. It's odd to see my callsign typed out in full anymore.

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    Why hello there Vrin. You know, that sounds like the name of a STD. Not meant to insult or anything, I'm just the local idiot who thinks too much.

 

 
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