There is a possible helpful solution but I'm not sure how you could make it worth your time and efforts. Usenet is an enormous dumping ground for everything and even better most usenet providers have servers that retain for upwards of 1800 days... yes, that's about 5 YEARS. Once something is uploaded to usenet it's potentially there for at least 5 years or more. It doesn't disappear. You host a .nzb site for the manga downloads and away you go. I have NO idea how hard it would be to implement but it would probably be much less tasking. Just grasping at straws..
I would like to thank you for your tireless efforts though. Getting older and assuming responsibilities for others in your life can kind of focus your efforts.
Usenet has, for the past year, been under fire from the authorities. It's currently going through a tough time with DMCA takedowns, indexers shutting down, and uploaders leaving in droves. Usenet will need to wait for things to settle down to be considered a real alternative, even then it will be a while (if ever) before it will be as good as it was before.
Even then, not everyone has access, not to mention there will be far less people willing to pay for a subscription. I doubt it's a viable option.
@ Stinky and Heji you both have raised good points.
- Heji, in regards to usenet coming under fire, if I am not mistaken that is mainly the Tv stuff - Dexter, UFC, Game of thrones, TBBT and
others. I have yet to hear any index having issues with any other category be it movies, anime, books, apps... etc
Then again I could be wrong, my main use of usenet download is for - comicbooks and anime.
Then there is the issue of limited access -to some degree yes far less people will be willing to pay usenet to download, but the positives
out strips the negatives. This one is a no brainier. I cant think of any server or place where you would dump files and the
file expiration would so vast to stay alive for such a long while. Times have changed, and people will have to bite the bullet or search
Take for instance, if you look at the warez scene, most uploaders are using Uploaded.to and Netload because those
filehosters retain files for a very long time on their server - unless the file is flagged/DMCA'ed unlike those on free servers which probably after
3 wks + activity time line will be deleted. Then someone has to reupload the file again, the cycle continues till it finally breaks the camel's back.
Also these servers have good affiliate programs from what I hear, not that I condone this behavior - uploading to getting paid from download.
(that just irks me )
Not to forget these servers are not very friendly to free users (limited download speed, no resume function etc) So like I said earlier, some people
will have to bite the bullet in one form or another.
Sharing is caring, well times have changed and if in the sense of preservation for the long haul - then usenet it is.
I think Usenet might be a good alternative, I am not saying that because it favors me but as of now, is what I can say would be something to
consider in support of Stinky's comment.
Just my take.
To be honest, I don't use Usenet for comics and anime, so I'll take your word on it.
Just FYI, movies have come under fire as well, not to mention games especially, the rest I don't know. Movies though, personally most movies nowadays are absolute rubbish, but in the event that I'm looking for something recent, at least last year when the Usenet assault was at its strongest, it's pretty hard to get, especially movies from certain studios.
Again, since you've mentioned you use Usenet for comics, you would know better, but I still think it's far too much of a hassle, when there are things like IRC around, and the fact that most scanlation groups have their own channel. Of course, Usenet has its positives, and I'm not against for Usenet to be a dumping ground for archives (like you said, it's probably the most suitable for that). Actually, I'm curious on how Usenet has been during the past year for comics? I remember reading in passing that the feds were after two prolific ebook uploaders, but I don't use Usenet for that.
I agree that times are changing, I mean, just recently, when Kevin Shiel (of this site) would elaborate on why he's shutting down ST, he would always mention that alot of other webmasters are leaving as well. And there has been a lot of things that's happened in the past few years in regards to file sharing.
Like you said, sharing is caring~
Well just like you started your previous post
I don't use Usenet for anything else - so I'll take your word on the Movies and Games coming under fire.
Though it strikes me, games as well - Being downloading a bucket load of stuff (PSP and PS3) since
like last year to about the first quarter of this year and haven't heard anything in relating to that. Then
again I could be leaving under a rock.
When you say "movies nowadays are absolute rubbish" - do you mean in entirety; plot, character development,
score, edit.. etc or in terms of grabbing/completion... or something else? If you were referring the former,
I strongly agree, which was one of the reason I stopped downloading mostly main stream movies, they just seemed
so derivative and boring with little or no substance. Then moved on to asian movies - didn't look back. Shame though,
the only Usenet group I knew that upload that content closed shop. "C'est la vie"
Yes! IRC is still around, but some channels are longer around or what they used to be. Was on Mangaupdate a
while back looking for some Scanlation group(s) for some manga, only to find - forum/mainsite/irc gone.
Speaking of IRC, connected to #Lurk a while back, that channel is packed as ever, though I had to leave no later
because the main topic at that moment was League of Legends.:confused:
I would think console-wise, Usenet should be OK, rather surprising really, especially considering how diligent Sony has been. I was talking about PC games specifically. It's pretty bad since last year, you have to be extra-cautious nowadays, the ones that tend to "work" is usually booby-trapped, alot of the uploads actually bother enough to get the legit releases, booby-trap them, then repack them. Whether or not this is from authorities or otherwise, IDK.
On movies, I was referring to the fact that I find most contemporary movies rubbish(the actual movies) and I rarely watch new releases anymore, I'm down to a few releases each year, so I might not be accurate in commenting on getting movies from Usenet. Even then, at least last year, a particular title was very difficult to get from Usenet. As for Asian media, it's rather the same for me, other than an exception or two, it's far too melodramatic and cheesy, I've always liked the Kurosawa and Miyazaki films, though.
Well, that's just the thing with sites like ST, it was easy, and offers a good archive. Most people won't bother with the more arcane stuff like IRC, it's a shame that ST had to shut down.
Times are definitely changing, just looking at the last few years, torrents are always under fire, cyberlockers had their major episode last year, and now Usenet. I was rather shell-shocked Usenet got on their radar, I've always thought it was untouchable because of the technical wall. Having used Usenet for a good part of a decade now, although things have settled a bit, I doubt it'll be as good as it was before. Because of the takedowns, there's barely any uploaders, and without them, there's not much point. Discussion-wise, people have moved on, even BBS are on the way down.
It's trite, but I suppose where there's a will, there's a way, there always will be.
I can't add much to the whole Usenet situation since I never used it. For a great deal of time though I did consider uploading files to mediafire/rapidshare/uploaded.to/rapidgator and many others, creating a script to do it, it really came back to a return on my investment, which is time. I've spent a great deal of time talking with webmasters in the Anime/Manga community, and so many are used to free stuff, the idea of sending a donation of any kind is just too much it seems for most people. I could not even get people to send me even a small gift card for my trouble, which can be picked up at any store, to be fair I did get one or two over a 2-3 month period. One thing though I've heard from other webmasters is they are all looking to make their exit. I know many who are switching over to celebrity blogs, porn sites, proxy/flash networks, custom Facebook games, Twitter Apps, social media ranking apps, etc. A shift is taking place and that might be good in some ways since the community will be a lot smaller, but ST is going to be closed either way.
One thing I can comment on is that it seems like Piracy of all kinds is under attack. Over the past few months though I've noticed a lot of Manga/Anime sites getting hit hard, some individuals I know have even lost their domain names. I've also noticed a lot of the games/software applications I find have code embedded in them, and I am not sure who is doing it exactly I always assume its the people posting it, to the point where I tend to just pay for the software to know my machine is not going to be hacked and my bank info stolen, although you could get away with installing VMWare/Virtualbox and setting up a VM, with software depending on remote connections, my biggest fear is people being sued since the software can be traced back to specific people. It's a changing world for sure though.
First - In response to Heij's comment -
Oh my, didnt know that was the current state of the PC scene. I would have imagined that even with
booby-trapped releases, they would have been filtered out as a result through the community
feedback/comment. What I so miss about NZBmatrix, that till now, no Index has managed to fill the void.
As for the movie issue, glad I was on the same page as you.
Yeah, I do agree, it is unlikely most people will be enthuastic about IRC, this is the YOLO generation.
It's all about a couple of few clicks and the download is ready or better still - automated generated downloads.
Seen far too many torrent sites go down as opposed to the few of the Usenet sites and Message boards
combined. Some are still sticking around while some new ones are doing great things. Takedowns will continue,
some uploaders will quit, sites/indexers will shut down, some will feel the void, others will be left unfilled. As you
clearly stated - doubt things would be as good as before. Been using usenet and torrent side by side for 9 years
now, will both survive the next 9 years from now? Hmm probably not, fingers crossed I am wrong.
Not really familair with BBS. I usually associated the term with message boards based of phpBB. Which I don't see
them going away, even if current trends indicate things are not so good. I think they will be ones that will survive,
if all hell breaks lose. Simply because of the greed factor(financial gain), fostered by the filehosters affliate schemes.
So many filehosters are springing up, left and right trying to catch in on the action, so as well as people joining the
mass herd of sheep.
In response to Kevin
Please don't take offense to what I am going to say/ask, and correct me if I am wrong.
Shame many people didnt donate at all to the capacity of the site (myself included), given the Anime/Manga content and so
many are used to free stuff like you stated. The download site aside, how was the community aspect of StopTazmo as a
whole, would you say it was lacking/weak?
There is no need denying it, there are so many many places to get Anime/manga even if someone doesnt have a good
knowledge of search syntax. It just mind bungling Stoptazmo is closing and we are still at this impasse. Based on my
membership on other sites over a couple of years, never faced financial difficulties at one point or another.
Some offered content was readily available elsewhere, some the not so much.
The point is, the site(s) remained active - at least then. I can't say everyone donated but I'd like to assume majority did,
because the site(s) was valuable to at least majority of us and the community element was strong at least.
Another question - how big is the entire Manga collection ?
Would you be willing to an offer, to allow someone else to archive/share/distribute etc - once copied off you?
I seem to be really out of the loop, first Heiji now You, "booby-trapped" releases :o This is the first time I am hearing of such.
And I thought I was paranoid. My firewall is always set to "CUSTOM settings" - No connection goes out without my knowledge.
Even when I purchase indie titles (single player) from STEAM. Before I launch the game title, it and STEAM go on the disallowed list. Go figure.
I'm not really sure I could say the whole community aspect of things was weak, I did neglect the site for almost a year which ST did not fully recover from, years ago. I think a larger issue might be something that has affected many forum based sites, they are just a thing of the past. Everything has switched to social media, meaning Facebook/Twitter/VK and others. It's pretty clear though based on forum participation and actual visitors, that most people simply came to download and then leave. That's all they wanted, and I really had no issue with it. I did though have an issue losing money all the time.
Originally Posted by Saycheesex
The thing is I could have kept things going, I was in the middle of having the site reprogrammed and perhaps get us a decent layout, purchase some Adwords traffic and try to boost the site up to what it once was again. What happened though was DMCA's being sent and PayPal has started to just close accounts for good. Unless you are one of the bigger sites, it really is hard to make money in this industry and I wonder for all the other sites that never faced financial issues, just what kind of money they were really making, especially when you take the time factor into account. I really don't know but I've moved on for the most part. I was hoping I could have people donate by Bitcoin/Gift Cards, but that did not work out, just not a lot of people with the ability to donate it seems. I really wish the majority of the people did donate.
The entire Manga collection is more than 520 GB's I think at last count. If I were to try to distribute it, I'd need to move the Manga and that might mean getting terminated from my ISP for using that much traffic. It really might be too much to distribute, anyone who would want it, probably already has the majority of it. There are FTP accounts I know of which you could probably get an even bigger collection if that was your real interest I could see if the person still has the FTP account online, would have to check IRC.
Booby trapped software is honestly becoming one of my worst fears, you can still use the software you find online, just make sure it's used in an isolated environment in a virtual machine or something. Now that I'm getting older though I really don't have time for games of various sorts and other things, so I'm not really downloading much anymore. Most of what I get, I get for business/work and cannot afford to worry if something is Booby trapped so I've begun shelling out the cash if the price is fair. I do though still test out any related software in a virtual machine if I can find it, so I can pre-test it and see if it's worth buying.
In the near future? T_T
Originally Posted by Kevin Shiel
I'm glad you moved on, Kane. Everything comes to an end, at some point!
But is the issue with boobytrapped software really that big? And I hope you mean the pirated one, not normal freeware stuff o.0