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    Yazen is offline Senior Member Always Around
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    I for one do not enjoy this storyline at all. I stayed away from the manga. I really enjoyed the first anime. The plot, characters and drama were all nicely done. Voices were amazing. Subs and dubbed versions. I don't like this kiddy style.

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    Yeah, I feel the same bout Brotherhood. Too much chibi and plot too shonenesque.
    It's nowhere as good as manga and nowhere as good as the first series.

    But there's a similiar thing going with the old Hellsing TV series and ongoing Hellsing Ultimate.
    TV series strayed from manga, yet it was much better then OVA.

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    Episode 19 was good. i have to say it is fun to watch the pages turned into animation. but even though i can understand that they wanted to show mustang being a badass in its entirety, i cannot accept that they just skipped envy and gluttony vs. ran fan and Ling. skipping some comedic moments is just barely acceptable. skipping entire battles? my only hope is that they do a flashback of it in the next episode or something.

    Reply to Goldencalf, i wont deny that this anime is very shonen~ey but then again it is a shonen manga. The first anime was great and really sucked me into the world, but the end of the first anime was so ugggh. it just didn't fit my style at all. Of course when it comes to preference its all subjective, but i have to say that the first anime felt devoid of maturity. Its depiction of humonculus practically made them lost souls and you almost felt sorry for them. Nothing seems to be accomplished in fact nothing seems to happen at all. i'm not the sentimental type. I prefer this anime where there is an actual motive and there is a sense of impending crisis. At least in brotherhood people are actually dying. The second anime is good not great. i prefer the manga by far

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    I like both, and the first series did some things better, but there were things in comparison that ruined the first series for me.

    The gate in the first series was a disappointment. I mean c'mon, after all that hype on the mystery of the gate, we learn that it's just a portal to our world? Not only was it lame, but it left a lot of questions. But I will say, the method of creating the homonculus was a lot more interesting.

    The villains were an even bigger disappointment. Wrath was pathetic and I don't see how Sloth was slothful at all. I just hated Tucker, don't know why they felt the need to bring him back. Dante didn't really stand out and her origins, as well as entire Rose-Dante bit, felt like some Twilight fan was writing a bad fan-fic.

    The first series made Hohenheim as important as Krillin is in DBZ.

    There are also a lot of things they didn't do, but that's a whole other matter. I hated the first series villains and their portrayal of the gate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FritosOrLays View Post
    I like both, and the first series did some things better, but there were things in comparison that ruined the first series for me.

    The gate in the first series was a disappointment. I mean c'mon, after all that hype on the mystery of the gate, we learn that it's just a portal to our world? Not only was it lame, but it left a lot of questions. But I will say, the method of creating the homonculus was a lot more interesting.

    The villains were an even bigger disappointment. Wrath was pathetic and I don't see how Sloth was slothful at all. I just hated Tucker, don't know why they felt the need to bring him back. Dante didn't really stand out and her origins, as well as entire Rose-Dante bit, felt like some Twilight fan was writing a bad fan-fic.

    The first series made Hohenheim as important as Krillin is in DBZ.

    There are also a lot of things they didn't do, but that's a whole other matter. I hated the first series villains and their portrayal of the gate.
    Agreed on all terms. There are a lot of inconsistencies because the people who directed/produced the original themes don't match up with what the author was trying to portray. thats how u get a unslothful sloth, and a waste of a character like tucker. The whole gate thing was....ughhh...nazi's...ugghh. but still in terms of character development the first anime series was a huge success. It seemed to be paced well while the second series is skipping a good amount of the side stuff to speed through the main plot. which kind of sucks. manga wins over all when it comes to this series i guess :-\

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    ^ Nazis were mostly in the Conqueror of Shambala, and this movie was extremely shitty.
    I don't really percieve it as a continuation of the first series, it's more like spin-off for me.

    ut the end of the first anime was so ugggh. it just didn't fit my style at all.
    Agreed.
    Its depiction of humonculus practically made them lost souls and you almost felt sorry for them.
    Yes, but that's also what made them more interesting. In typical shonen you got a clear distinction between good and evil characters, which is highly unrealistic.
    In first anime lots of characters are in the gray zone, and protagonists are responsible for the tragic events too. For example I really liked the fact that it was alchemists who were guilty of bringing homunculus to life.
    And in the manga it seems more like, "a bad dude has an evil plan and bad things happen because of that, so let's kick his ass". That's cliche and childish.
    Beside, manga's theme seems to be "humanity vs other beings" and the author appears to be glorfying humans...

    But still, I agree that anime had way too much drama. it's been a long time since i last saw it so possibly it would annoy me much more if i were to watch it now.
    However, about 'feeling sorry for homunculus' in anime and 'sentimental' part - check out the chapter with Envy's death in manga.
    The gate in the first series was a disappointment. I mean c'mon, after all that hype on the mystery of the gate, we learn that it's just a portal to our world? Not only was it lame, but it left a lot of questions.
    Yes. connecting fma to real world was definitely the worst plot twist in the series.
    and a waste of a character like tucker.
    what do you mean? did he end differently in anime?

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldencalf View Post
    what do you mean? did he end differently in anime?
    Just referring to how they tried to bring tucker to life in the first anime, and it was a waste cuz he was more annoying then anything else.

    I for one am completely satisfied that tucker was killed off the way he was supposed to.

    *if you forgot in the first anime series tucker was extended all the way to the end of the anime, where he repeatedly tried to retransmute his daughter, it was a side story that gave me no interest at all.

    I agree with you in all terms. hehe, but i have to say we look for different things in anime. If i remember about envy's death, I didn't pay too much attention to what he was saying, i was just satisfied that he was a huge monster that turned into a crispy critter. does that make me shallow? prolly. but it was awesome either way :-p.

    I prefer my anime to be cliche but done right. if i want complex plot i'll watch something else.

    Important points i focus on. how short winry's skirt is, how badass the bad guys are. and how cool looking the hero is. lawl.....i'm just joking about the skirt thing.......

    maybe.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldencalf View Post

    Yes, but that's also what made them more interesting. In typical shonen you got a clear distinction between good and evil characters, which is highly unrealistic.
    In first anime lots of characters are in the gray zone, and protagonists are responsible for the tragic events too. For example I really liked the fact that it was alchemists who were guilty of bringing homunculus to life.
    And in the manga it seems more like, "a bad dude has an evil plan and bad things happen because of that, so let's kick his ass". That's cliche and childish.
    Beside, manga's theme seems to be "humanity vs other beings" and the author appears to be glorfying humans...

    Perhaps, but I find that true only with Lust and maybe Gluttony(Because he is kind of pitiful once he found out Lust died). In the manga, they go into a lot more depth with Greed, to the point where they're kind of turning him into an anti-hero. It's also the reverse with Kimblee, in the anime, they make him seem like a maniac who just wants to blow things up. In the manga, he's seen as rational and sane to some extent. Envy I can't say much about, in the anime, he was found out to be Ed's half brother and then, so what? They didn't draw it out as much as Lust/Scar or Sloth/Elric conflicts did, and so he didn't really turn out as great a villain as he could have been. The manga didn't exactly give him a better motive to be a villain though, but it made seem more human without resorting to the whole "Humonculi are created from failed human transmutation" and didn't call them soul less creatures.

    The Lust conflict I'll admit, was good, they finished it rather unsatisfyingly, but it was good.
    Anime Wrath as a character, was terrible. I wanted to punch him every time he did something stupid. Beyond that I can't say much, except that it could have turned out good.

    And Manga Wrath and Sloth do follow the tradional Shounen formula, but it's not like they have do develop every character.

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    Ah, man! I had no idea this anime was going on! I really liked the first one, but never had the guts to read the manga... Ok, I'm lazy... Now, to think that there's a new anime? GREAT!

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    Episode 20. Not too bad. not really any action. The episodes seem so rushed, i wonder how it would feel if i had never read the manga tho. Anyways. the show is coming closer and closer to my favorite part. Winry with a gun. That will prolly appear around episode 22.

    Still furious that they skipped an entire fight scene with envy and Ling. how can u just skip something like that?

    grrrr

 

 
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