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    amxed is offline Senior Member Respected Member
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    Quote Originally Posted by xlene View Post
    hard question, I guess Sora is stronger, just speculation.
    Nike can take Regalia core from Kilick a lot of because Kilick exhuasted himself fighting Sora and tried to protect the wind Regalia core.
    (One thing I dont quiet understand is:how can Nike take the Regalia core from Kilick's AT...and if Nike took/broke Kilick's AT, how did Kilick win Nike or get away...)
    That why Kilik was litereally battered when he came to give bagram to the granny and gramps. He was clean before Nike came and went berserk on him. I agree with you that he was trying to protect bagram (probably Nike was trying to take it back) but in the process lost his gem regalia. And Nike attacked him unexpectedly, and I bet Kilik underestimated Nike because 1. Nike's existence was almost non-existent 2. everybody ignored him... 3. Kilik didn't know how to counteract against a new skilled rider(?) because he never saw Nike in action

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    you have a good point there, but still:

    1. kilik fought against 5 members of the original SF, and his dress weren't even scratched, he didn't even seems to be damaged or exhausted
    2. nike fought without a regalia, yet he was able to force kilik on the defensive and stole the gem regalia...although kilik was able to keep the bagram and probably run away in the end...

    by the way om and kilik were talking about nike, i have no doubt that at that time, nike was the strongest stormrider out of all...

    and i've already explained why i think that he's still stronger than sora...

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    Just clarify two things.
    1.kilik didnt fought the 5 members of the original SF alone, Om, Gabishi,and one or two other people fought with him. (most likely Kilik fought Sora and Spit Fire)
    2. It is Om who said Kilik was exhausted,she could be wrong,but...
    PS.agree with Amxed about the underestimating.

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    1. that is true, my bad...still kilik fought against sora(that seems to be sure) and his dress weren't even scratched...oh, and the four guys with kilik are om, gabishi and the other two of the actual SF
    2. i only have sorascans scan of the chapter, so perhaps the translator made a mistake(i don't know), but in the scan, om says that kilik used all of his power against nike, she never said that he was exhausted from the fight against the others...

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    you know, your clothes don't necessary need to be scratched in order to show fighting...spitfire did say Kilik was the strongest out of all of the original sleeping forest(that's why he was scared and trembling)
    while nike and kilik were fighting, nike was seriously DYING to get revenge. He was what you call a homicidal maniac/crazy berserk guy. Now, Kilik was not only kind of defenseless, kind of feeling all superior over sora coz Kilik felt that he stopped Darth Vader but when Darth Vader's brother who nobody knew and always ignored and never before seen and totally unexpected, saw his dying bro, he went all dark lordy and berserk. He was on the major offensive. However, on kilik's side, like I said, he was defenseless and feeling good about himself, but not only that, he let his guard down (he was talking to simca, btw), didn't have time to prepare himself for Darth Vader's bro's assault(which probably gave an opening for Nike), and defending bagram. And barely escaped with his life. Not sure about barely though.

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    Hmmmm...I don't know it is hard to say who is stronger now. Sora is going to get an upgrade on Baghram and Nike combines wind and gaia road, so its kind of hard to tell.

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    Personally, I think Nike is stronger. I think the whole bowing down thing makes it more of a leader-bodyguard relationship between Sora and Nike. Nike was able to take Kilik's regalia while Sora and everyone in SF was pretty much crushed by Kilik alone. I just think Nike is helping Sora out of loyalty since they have been together from the start, but I also think he is naturally stronger.

    While I think this, I think Sora with new and improved Bagram would at least equal Nike. Sora has experienced the superiority of Kilik first-hand and has been conspiring to return to strength since then. Even though he has been in a wheelchair, I think he must have been training somehow till Nike came back.

    So, my view, in summary: Nike > Sora; Nike + Gem Regalia (whatever its called) =<Sora + Bagram.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amxed View Post
    you know, your clothes don't necessary need to be scratched in order to show fighting...spitfire did say Kilik was the strongest out of all of the original sleeping forest(that's why he was scared and trembling)
    yeah but look at the facts: sora uses wind, and we have seen the power of the wing road's inifinity atmosphere...yet, with that power, he couldn't even scratch kilik's dress...to me, that was made to show how superior kilik was to sora and the others at that time...nike on the other hand totally crushed not only his dress, but even kilik was beaten up quiet badly


    while nike and kilik were fighting, nike was seriously DYING to get revenge. He was what you call a homicidal maniac/crazy berserk guy.[...]
    i get your point, and i partially agree...but what makes me think that that's not all what is was, is what kilik and om said...they didn't say "he has gone berserk and thus not even kilik could defeat him", the way they talked about him, it seems as he was/is some kind of peerless god of the storm riders...even though kilik was attacked by surprise, even though nike was completely berserk, kilik had still his gem regalia, nike had no regalias at all...and kilik was a real monster, so just by going berserk i don't think it would be enough not just to close the gap, but to even "dominate" the battle(kilik was always on the defensive afterall) and stole the opponents regalia in the end, despite fighting without regalias...

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    The only reasons I think Kilik lost to Nike is because he was exhausted and surprised.

    Sora lost to Kilik without being able to do much of anything to him and I can't see Nike being stonger than Sora back than. All Nike could do, at that point, was use the wind. Unless he was infinitely more capable with the wind then Sora, Sora should have been stronger because of the wind regalia.
    Last edited by ki0; 08-24-2007 at 11:03 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by giorno- View Post
    yeah but look at the facts: sora uses wind, and we have seen the power of the wing road's inifinity atmosphere...yet, with that power, he couldn't even scratch kilik's dress...to me, that was made to show how superior kilik was to sora and the others at that time...nike on the other hand totally crushed not only his dress, but even kilik was beaten up quiet badly
    remember, though, aside from sora's legs getting crushed, Sora's clothes weren't torn up either. Nike did crush his dress and beat up kilik, but if you see nike afterwards he's pretty tired also. That means Kilik indeed put up a fight but have been at disadvantages because of the above reasons I pointed out, and got beaten up then and escaped like that. Because of Nike's berserkness and ferociousness (are those words?), Kilik didn't get a chance to defeat/put a scratch on him...Kind of same with Ikki vs. Ringo, don't you think? Ikki kind of went berserk when he put the regalia on, and Ringo got injured, not Ikki. Ringo was on defensive, Ikki's on adrenaline rush. I'm guessing Nike got the same kind of adrenaline rush BUT from anger, anguish, vengeful, and yattayattayatta. He is mental, after all. I mean, even though you're strong, how can you put a hurt on a guy who's determined to hurt you and kill you and do everything he can do avenge his bro? Especially when you're trying to protect something and you were defenseless/not on guard.

    Quote Originally Posted by giorno- View Post
    i get your point, and i partially agree...but what makes me think that that's not all what is was, is what kilik and om said...they didn't say "he has gone berserk and thus not even kilik could defeat him", the way they talked about him, it seems as he was/is some kind of peerless god of the storm riders...even though kilik was attacked by surprise, even though nike was completely berserk, kilik had still his gem regalia, nike had no regalias at all...and kilik was a real monster, so just by going berserk i don't think it would be enough not just to close the gap, but to even "dominate" the battle(kilik was always on the defensive afterall) and stole the opponents regalia in the end, despite fighting without regalias...
    can you show me the chapter where they (kilik and om) talked about that coz I only remember vaguely...and everyone talks like Kilik and sora are the god of the storm riders...and kilik was on defensive because Nike had the first initiative and Kilik didn't expect anyone to spring out of nowhere and try to kill him.

 

 
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