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    Quote Originally Posted by Katana Soul View Post
    ... My picture of Sleeping Forest is pretty much just a puppet organization for Kilik. He probably fears the power of the Sky Regalia since it'd wipe him out, and just uses a warped idea of justice to put up a different front.

    Anyway, Ringo's speech about SF's goals seemed kinda off to me. ... But damn, if she can't even understand Ikki after he basically spelled out his intentions to her, maybe she's just hopelessly committed to her false ideals.

    I'm starting to think that maybe Ikki slipped into some magic damage-absorbing clothes. ... Maybe it's his newly acquired broad shoulders >_>
    I agree, especially about Ikki and his damage-defying clothes; too bad they're worn out now. Anyways, I've always felt Kilik fears change, and Ringo ... well, she's probably confused or really set in her ways (as all SF probably is) so she's refusing/can't understand Ikki. When you believe in something strongly long enough, it's difficult to see or understand other's points of view. That's why she and SF may be resistant to change and are willing to beat others into submission.

    But who knows? Not everything has been uncovered yet; damn Oh-Great and his detailed storytelling.

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    Kiliks been in like... two chapters? how are you inferring so much about his character?


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    Well, he took out Sora, who was the closest to being Sky King, and now with Ikki getting closer to the title he's mobilized Sleeping Forest, so he must have some fear of its completed form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StealDragon View Post
    Kiliks been in like... two chapters? how are you inferring so much about his character?
    From the slight hints here and there: like when he, as was said, beat Sora, because Sora's views didn't coincide with his; Simica left him for some reason, her own flesh and blood to follow Sora; someone (... Kilik?) ordered that crazy ass Gabishi after Ikki to "clip" his wings, permanently; someone (... Kilik?) set the rules for SF to follow that Ringo, and they, are so set on; also you have to be a pretty strict enforcer to have Gabishi and Om scared shitless of you; finally, [spoiler]when he talked his little spill about chaos it confirmed what I thought. Chaos after all is random changing. I felt he might of had this view because of his actions against Sora[spoiler]. It's easy to see that Kilik is the brains and power in SF.

    I'm sure there's other times but I don't recall them off hand. You can infer a lot by seeing what's happening and then infer what's not happening, i.e, what's going on behind the scenes.

    I could be wrong, but it's an inference. By definition, an inference is:
    "The process of arriving at some conclusion that, though it is not logically derivable from the assumed premises, possesses some degree of probability relative to the premises."

    Again, I may be wrong, that's why we need more info. But for now, with what we have to work with, I'm pretty confident in my inference.
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    ok ok. Im rather talking about when he was NAMED as the one calling the shots. Because what ive seen most of the stuff done was done with Ringo in command and no matter who kilik really is Ringo leads SF. Minor quibbles really, but do remind me what chapter it is that kilik meets Om and Gabishi?


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    Quote Originally Posted by StealDragon View Post
    ok ok. Im rather talking about when he was NAMED as the one calling the shots. Because what ive seen most of the stuff done was done with Ringo in command and no matter who kilik really is Ringo leads SF. Minor quibbles really, but do remind me what chapter it is that kilik meets Om and Gabishi?
    thats where their is a little confusion, well at least for me. Ringo leads SF, but then there's killik. =\


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    Kilik seems to be the one controlling the whole Trophaeum structure and rule base. I say this because it seems like the point where things started to move away from Sora's ideal of creating a strong team and flying in the sky was when Kilik appeared and betrayed him. I don't think Ringo could've been around at this point, so if nothing else he at least created the rules of today's Trophaeum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StealDragon View Post
    ok ok. Im rather talking about when he was NAMED as the one calling the shots. Because what ive seen most of the stuff done was done with Ringo in command and no matter who kilik really is Ringo leads SF. Minor quibbles really, but do remind me what chapter it is that kilik meets Om and Gabishi?
    I don't think it was ever shown Om and Gabishi meet with Killik, but when they were in the car, after Gabishi's questioning and Om's defeat, they were talking to each other about Killik's pending dissatisfaction with them; something around the lines of not looking forward to having to explain to him why they failed in their task. During that scene I got the feeling that they were really scared of him, that he was the real leader of SF, and that he gave, at least, those orders for their actions.

    Also, at least for myself, I find it really hard to believe that Ringo is the leader of SF, other than in name only. If she really is the leader of SF and is mostly aware of their actions, then she's responsible for quiet a lot of bad stuff done to Ikki and his group; or, if she's the leader and wasn't aware of the going-ons within SF, then she's probably just a symbol, not the real decision maker. Instead, I like to believe in Ringo, but believe she is somewhat confused and somewhat deceived by Killik; maybe Killik has a golden tongue; again, I could be wrong.

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    i find that quite the agreeable post... but you still didnt tell me what chapter that Om-Gabishi convo was in :'(


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    It's somewhere near 125 (That's when Benkei gets her staff, so maybe 2 or 3 past there), in which I found this quote from Kilik: "But now...it will be recast in my image...The true Sleeping Forest...shall deliver stones from heaven unto the overzealous fools who attempt to raid the sky."

 

 
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