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    oridistor is offline Member Frequent Poster
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    Well, Kogarasumaru is somehow like Genesis... But not exactly ^^"

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    Quote Originally Posted by oridistor
    By the way, like I said, Sora "founded" it but wasn't the one with the idea, and he had the same intention to do it as Ikki, IMO, I don't think the goal was really to reach the summit of the Trophaeum, I think that Sora had no goal what so ever and no appearent reason to get it except the fact he can, and that's why Kilik (it's Kilik! Kilik!!!! u is removed so easily Oo) decided to build a new SF, with a define goal of protecting the tower, he said it himself, the sky are angry, but why were the sky angry? Did you ever ask yourself that? They were angry because someone foolishly climbed Trophaeum with no real goal!
    lol, i just followed the japanese spelling of the name... so it became Ki-ri-ku, oh well, anyway i spelled it wrong in the previous post...lol

    and there was nothing that pointed out that the current SF wanted to stop anyone to reaching the sky coz they foolishly climbed the tropaheum with no real goal...where did u get that from? Kilik, or whateva his name spelling goes, only said that climbing the tower isn't really the road to "flying" or something like that...

    oh...and regarding sora, how did u know he foolishly climbed the trophaeum without any real target too? he wanted to climb it because he wanted to "fly"...

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    Because that's (what Sora wanted) what Ikki wants to... But it's still considered foolishly... Well, what I say is that no one is worthy of climbing the tower, that's my hunch, either that or the thing that is on trophaeum (the air gear) is something grand and dreadful, and what Kilik said exactly was that it's not the road to the sky and it's rather more like hell and the sky are angry... The understanding of that freedom is is the understanding of what you really seek.
    I'm starting to think it's all like the famous allegory by socrates (Written by plato) of the cave, that there is the one who's the "philosopher" and he's the only one who can get out of the cave, and the people are tied inside the cave and they live in a delusion that it's reality around them, but what they see is only shadows of puppets which is somehow the reality and outside of the cave is the sun and the ideals, and the divine world. The fact that ringo said that human beings are confined to the ground and can't move from there, but they believe foolishly in the dream of freedom and flying, and all that she does is prevent them from suffering and blah blah blah, made me think, that all that sleeping forest really does is show people their place, maybe in a strong and bad way, but still, shows them the "right way" and that's why you need to be released of the chains before you can climb Trophaum. Maybe I'm just reading too much into it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oridistor
    I'm starting to think it's all like the famous allegory by socrates (Written by plato) of the cave, that there is the one who's the "philosopher" and he's the only one who can get out of the cave, and the people are tied inside the cave and they live in a delusion that it's reality around them, but what they see is only shadows of puppets which is somehow the reality and outside of the cave is the sun and the ideals, and the divine world. The fact that ringo said that human beings are confined to the ground and can't move from there, but they believe foolishly in the dream of freedom and flying, and all that she does is prevent them from suffering and blah blah blah
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    made me think, that all that sleeping forest really does is show people their place, maybe in a strong and bad way, but still, shows them the "right way" and that's why you need to be released of the chains before you can climb Trophaum.
    no way that is true. SF intention is clear and that is to stop everyone from reaching the sky and not to restrict them will they are strong enuff to be "released of the chains" as u thought... one thing that still kept me wondering is what does kiriku mean by "all the roads and regalias have become one"...i think he has more sinister stuff going behind him...

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    When did he say that? Are you sure you're not just misreading things? :P Well, no offense, I'm serious about where, I want to see where he said it, and I myself don't remember it, I might just forgot it ^^".
    Because I think he has a more sinister thing, I guess their motive might be somewhat good, after what ringo said about people being connected to the ground, maybe like I said the Air Gear is too big for them and Sleeping forest is there to protect the Air Gear, or something?

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    c125, page 20-21...When kiriku was saying it to his sis, shimuka...

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    I think even though Simca likes and Ikki somewhat "likes" Simca. I think that Ikki should still keep his guard up with Genesis because of Killik being SImca's brother. Also from the looks of it, Killik is stronger than Ringo, how come he is not the Leader of SF. Rika wasn't the leader neither, she was really weak compare to Sora. As to how Ringo ended up being the leader is a mystery.

    And as to which side im on?Genesis(Ikki and Simca) of course. I can't stand SF.

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    I have never seen this stinkin' Kilik guy. Somebody post a pic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miyagiCE
    I have never seen this stinkin' Kilik guy. Somebody post a pic.
    check Whatever181's comment two posts up.!!

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    yeah, kiriku is also shown in c127 page 17... anyway, it is kinda a mystery as to how ringo manage to become the leader of SF... The thing is, she does not have full power yet i dun think... Kiriku still has control over SF and I would say a majority since the other SF members' attack on Ikki and rika+sora seems to be unknown to ringo...and also, remember how Ohm, the water king, tried to commit suicide after she lost the battle? She did it out of fear of Kiriku, the same goes with Gabishi. They were kinda afraid of returning to SF when Genesis released them after Gabishi's torture....

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